The Inn discusses how to read without completely breaking the bank. We cover libraries, audiobooks, secondhand stores and more, all with a global audience in mind.
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Intro: Welcome to The Fantasy Inn podcast, where we share our love for all things fantasy and discuss the broader speculative fiction industry. Welcome to The Fantasy Inn.
Travis: And in typical Fantasy Inn podcast fashion, uh, we should probably introduce ourselves.
Jenia: Hi, I’m Jenia.
Tam: I’m Tam.
Travis: I’m Travis.
Kop: I’m Kop.
Travis: So today we’ll be talking about how to read on a budget. Books can be expensive, especially new releases, uh and many of us go through dozens or even hundreds a year—at least if you have a fantasy blog. Our goal is to cover a variety of options for how you can find books on a budget while still supporting authors and help make books more accessible for everyone.
And a quick note, we believe that artists always deserve to be paid for their art, so we will not be advocating for piracy or providing any resources to assist in piracy. We realize that public libraries are not a viable resource for everyone, so we’ll try to cover as many resources as possible here.
Kop: So what are we reading?
Jenia: So right now I’m listening to Company of Liars by Karen Macklind. It’s set during the black plague in England and basically several people are traveling to escape the black plague and I believe there’s going to be some kind of murder mystery involved as well. But I haven’t gotten that far yet (laughs).
It’s pretty good. It’s a historical novel, I don’t think there’s any fantasy, although there is some little child who can tell the future. Maybe that child can actually tell the future or maybe she’s just a liar, not sure yet, but it’s mainly just historical fiction.
Tam: I am currently reading The Ship of Destiny by Robin Hobb, the third book in the Liveship Traders series. I really hope we don’t air this before the one where I’m reading the second book.
Travis: So how would you say the third book compares to the second book so far, Tam?
(everyone laughs)
Tam: I’ll get back to you once I’ve finished it. (laughs) And started it, because I’m still actually on book 2.
Travis: Oh right, okay. So I actually just finished listening to an audio drama called Dark Ages. Oh man, where to begin with this one? It’s a high fantasy workplace comedy, so for anyone who’s familiar with Kings of the Wyld by Nicholas Eames, I’d say my short pitch is: Nicholas Eames writes The Office. So basically you have this Dark Lord being summoned back into existence after a thousand years by a horde of goblins and he’s excited to finally put on his shadow crown again and regain all of his powers and basically be like Sauron from Lord of the Rings.
Unfortunately, the goblins lost the crown and it’s now on display at a museum, the Rivercliffe Museum of Mostly Natural Histories. And so the goblin army tries to invade the museum but unfortunately the museum has an army of demonic lawyers and their contracts are so ironclad that they can’t get the crown back.
So what follows is an entire series about the dark lord kind of just chilling out in the museum as other shenanigans go on. You’ve got a high elf head of the museum who is just trying to get people interested in the mostly natural histories again and it doesn’t really work. You’ve got a janitor who is enslaved against his will for 500 years to be working and cleaning the museum because he tried to steal something and it didn’t work out so well… again with those demonic contracts.
And what else. Oh, one of my favorites. You’ve got this 900-year-old dwarf warrior who people aren’t sure if he’s going senile or if he’s actually the hero of the great dragon battle from a thousand years ago that he claims he is. Overall it’s really really good, a great comic fantasy. It’s got its own official theme song and everything at the beginning, which is just awesome. I highly recommend it, it’s a fantastic example of comic fantasy. If you’re thinking about trying audio dramas, you should give it a listen.
Kop: I am currently making my way through a book called Inventing English: A Portable History of the Language by Seth Leweir. It’s nonfiction. Uh, it’s not fantasy.
But I’m also making my way through The Fox and the Hound by Daniel P. Mannix, which is also not fantasy. And yes it is that Fox and the Hound that the Disney movie is based off of, it was one of my favorites growing up. So I requested the book through my library since it is literally impossible for me to get a physical copy where I am right now. So I went online to my library site and I requested it and they got me a digital copy to borrow because I’m reading on a budget.
Travis: (laughs) Well, okay. Yeah, that’s a great kind of segue into our topic. So obviously, if we’re talking about reading on a budget, one of the first things we should mention is public libraries. Most public libraries provide free access to physical books, ebooks, audiobooks, graphic novels, and a whole lot of other stuff besides. And recently—in the last, I don’t know, maybe five years or so—a lot actually have kind of a totally online functionality as well, like a service called Overdrive. And I think they now are kind of rolling into an app called Libby, if you have a smartphone.
So you can basically check out books online, you never have to actually walk into your physical library. And a lot of libraries also pay for a service called Hoopla. Unlike Overdrive and regular libraries, where you have to put your name on a waiting list before you can check out a book, Hoopla has a huge catalogue of movies, soundtracks, graphic novels, audiobooks, ebooks, you name it, that you can instantly download.
And I think depending on your library, you get a different number per month. I know I get 10 different downloads a month, and you typically get two weeks of access to whatever you’ve downloaded.
Kop: Yeah let me see. I think– I’m checking my Hoopla right now. I get 30 downloads a month.
Travis: Oh wow.
Kop: I’m not actually borrowing 30 things a month. But just like Travis was saying about Hoopla versus Overdrive, it’s instantly downloaded. You aren’t put on a wait list. I don’t know if this is a library-by-library case basis, but with Hoopla, you have it for the entire month or you have it for, I want to say, at least 20-21 days. Whereas with at least with my Overdrive, my Libby app, I can only borrow something for a max of 14 days.
Travis: Hmm that’s interesting, yeah. Because I definitely don’t have my Hoopla titles available for a full month.
Jenia: I’m part of the listenership, readership I guess, who does not live in an English-speaking country, so I cannot rely on libraries at all, especially for English books. I know that, for example, a few months ago, there was this big kerfuffle in the fantasy readership, because TOR publishing issued a four month ebook embargo on libraries.
And I just remember thinking, “Wow, you can get books within four months?” You know, over here, if you want to book, if it came out less than five years ago, you’re unlikely to find it in the library, especially if it’s an English book. I do know that apparently, there are some English or American libraries which allow readers from other countries to sign up for a fee or something like $50, but I have never tried that before because I am nervous that it will not really work.
If anybody has any information about that, or has tried it when they lived abroad, I’d be very interested in finding out about that.
Tam: I think one of those is the New York Public Library.
Kop: And Philadelphia has one as well.
Jenia: I just, I don’t know anybody who’s actually tried it, so it’s a little… Yeah.
Travis: Yeah, so I’ll add my two cents there. I have not actually tried this one personally, so take it with a grain of salt, but I have reached out and personally contacted the Philadelphia Free Library. They have confirmed with me that they will provide their services to anyone internationally.
So you don’t actually have to be a US citizen or living in the US or have a US address, but it does cost 50 US dollars for the year. But that remote membership anywhere in the world includes access to Philadelphia’s Overdrive and Libby accounts as well as Hoopla. So that gives you a huge selection of ebooks, graphic novels, audiobooks, whatever for the full year.
It does cost money. But if you regularly say, use Audible and it’s costing you $15 a month, it might be a less expensive alternative.
Jenia: Definitely something to look into. And again, if anybody has done it before, then I’d be very interested in their experiences with it.
Kop: I guess I’m in kind of a similar situation as Jenia. Not really though, because I’m also living in a non English speaking country. However, before I came here, I was a member of my US library. And I had a library card which I’m able to use now. The library in the town I’m in now… We don’t get new books at all. But we have a small selection of maybe two or three shelves of English books that people have donated throughout the years. So I am fortunate because even if I wasn’t a member of my old library, I would still have books to read. For example we have The Wise Man’s Fear, not The Name of the Wind, in [our Mongolian] library.
Jenia: Interesting.
Kop: Yeah. It’s my least favorite book. But that’s another topic. I would say how living in a place that libraries aren’t really an option, not counting the Philadelphia Free Library or the Philadelphia Open Library. What are some different ways that you might read on a budget?
Travis: Um, okay, I do want to jump in and add something here. So it is the Philadelphia Free Library. But Open Library is its own separate thing. And recently it’s kind of a… can of worms? Basically, if you’re not familiar, Open Library is part of the Internet Archive. And they scan in a bunch of different physical books and provide them online as sort of ebooks that anybody can check out and reserve just like a normal library.
But there’s been some controversy recently about whether this is fully legal or not. So authorsguild.org has claimed that Open Library does not pay for the books that they scan and ignores copyright law. So while I greatly appreciate Open Library’s attempt to make, say, out of print books available that you can’t really find anywhere else, I’m not really sure in good conscience I can recommend them at this point in time.
So I kind of hesitate to mention this because I don’t want to promote consuming books in a way that violates copyright law or might potentially harm authors and publishers, but many people, myself included until recently, consider Open Library a viable and legal source of books. So as far as I know, this whole controversy is a fairly recent development. And I’m not 100% certain at the time of this recording (March 2019) whether any definitive proof of copyright violation has been determined. So, but that’s definitely something to keep in mind before you consider using Open Library.
Kop: Is Open Library… It’s different than, what is it, Project Gutenberg, right?
Tam: I was about to bring that one up (laughs).
Travis: Yes, that is totally different. So Project Gutenberg is specifically for works in the public domain. So copyright law would not be an issue for Project Gutenberg.
Tam: They have actually recently hit a couple of copyright issues depending on the country they’re in. So I don’t think they’re doing any books. I think they just closed the site in Germany now. But effectively what Project Gutenberg aims to do is find books that have been around so long that they’re public domain and make copies of them available for everything. So you’re not going to get many modern books there. But your classics and all the books should be available online for free to read there because they’re in the public domain. I think everywhere but Germany, you can access them.
Travis: So do you know, is that because Germany has a different copyright law?
Tam: Yeah. So there were a couple of court cases where they were taken to court for copyright breach, because their ruling on copyright was slightly different to the US. I think it was around date of death instead of date of publication.
Travis: Huh. Okay, I had not heard of that.
Jenia: Yeah there’s basically four books by Thomas Mann, I think, which are still in copyright in Germany. And so it’s a big argument, I suppose, whether you can… like how it would work because it is online and how copyright will work across countries. I mean, the same with Open Library, I suppose.
Travis: Okay, if that covers for the most part, how you can use free services like libraries—discounting if you’re paying for remote membership—what about buying books? Are there any ways that we can approach buying books on a budget?
Jenia: So this actually requires some splurging of friends. But the cheapest way overall for me to get books over here is through Audible, which is a bit odd. But yeah, basically, again, I was in the UK for a little while and I got audible.co.uk membership where you pay 109 pounds for 24 books.
So this is a lot of course up front but altogether this means that it’s about 4.5 pounds per book, which is actually about the same price as an ebook would cost in Austria. And then afterwards once you get through those 24 books, you can buy new credits, three extra credits for 11 pounds per book. Uh sorry, 11 pounds for the three credits which would mean that it’s about 3.6 pounds per book. Which, again, is cheaper than most ways of getting books here, particularly new books.
So if there’s a book that was just released, usually the ebook here will cost almost 10 or 11 euros. Whereas an audiobook, I could get basically immediately for a lot less money. This is kind of strange, because again, you have to pay a lot upfront. But sometimes these really large audible things are very lucrative in the long run.
Tam: I should add, that’s 24 credits per year that it gives you so it’s it’s an—
Jenia: Sorry.
Tam: —annual plan, and it’ll pay that once a year unless you cancel it prior to the end of the year. At which point you’ll lose your credits if you haven’t spent them all but if you got the books you’re fine.
Travis: I guess while we’re on the topic of Audible, one thing is to try not to use a credit to buy a book if the book itself is less expensive than you paid for the credit. That’s one thing I found is books kind of range from $2 on Audible to upwards of $50 if it’s like 40 or 50 hours long, so that’s something to consider.
Jenia: Two dollars?
Travis: Uh, well, when they have the sales, anyways. Then it might be for like 99 cents…
Tam: And some novellas.
Jenia: Novellas are a ripoff. Sorry this is my own personal (laughs) but it’ll… novellas are rip off because they cost a full credit. Somehow they don’t do half credits often or anymore. But novellas are about five hours long so you should try to figure out when they’re on sale or something. Even though they’re never on sale! Looking at you, Rivers of London novella…
Tam: (laughs)
Jenia: But (laughs) there’s no way to read them on a budget. That’s my final (laughs) my final point on this. But yeah. Those are not good, uh, time for your money? Money for your time.
Travis: Yeah. Audible also has frequent sales for existing members. I think they’re pretty highly location-specific, but they still typically do have sales for most locations. So that’s something to keep an eye out for. I think just recently there was a sale for two books for one credit. So that’s kind of a way to keep an eye out, see if there’s anything you’ve had your eye on and you can reduce your expenses that way.
Kop: Another similar service to Audible, and it’s sort of a… if Audible was a library service, is Scribd. It’s S-C-R-I-B-D. And I know it’s at least in North America because I’ve seen some Canadian booktubers on YouTube talk about how they use Scribd, so if you have this option, I don’t know if it’s international, $8.99 (US dollars) a month. Then you can get a variety of different audiobooks and ebooks. It’s the same concept as Audible.
Jenia: I feel like I’ve used Scribd before for something, there’s some free audio books on there too, right?
Kop: I think so, maybe. It’s like a combination of library and Audible.
Jenia: Now I figured it out, what I was thinking of is Libriovox audiobooks.
Kop: Hmm.
Jenia: They have a lot of free audiobooks but they seem to be often either older ones, such as Pride and Prejudice, or ones which the author himself or herself has decided to put online. So I listened to Ravenwood by Nathan Lowell there. It’s read by him and it’s… it’s just… it seems to be a free audiobook website, but not all books are available there.
Kop: Tam?
Tam: Yeah?
Kop: How do you read on a budget?
Tam: I don’t. I just buy books when I need them. (laughs) I don’t really have any set budget. I kind of just budget my discretionary expenses. And that mostly goes towards books. So…
Kop: But I think that is a valid point, how reading on a budget doesn’t necessarily mean reading cheap.
Tam: Yeah.
Travis: While we’re still on the topic of audiobooks a little bit—I hesitate to keep talking about Amazon just because I don’t like Amazon being the dominant force in the market—but they do have a lot of different options. So a couple things I want to mention before we get away from that.
First, a lot of times, if you have an Audible membership, sometime you can buy an ebook and then get the audio at a discount. I know there’s been a few occasions where I could either spend my $15 credit on the audio copy of the book, or I could find the ebook for say, $5, and then get the audio for an additional $3. Even if I never read the ebook, I was able to get the original audiobook I was looking for for less money than that credit would have cost me.
And then also, since I actually personally have a subscription to this, Audible has—I think this is fairly new—an unlimited romance package. I should say this is an additional monthly fee you pay. I think it’s maybe seven or eight US dollars. But unlike Audible’s traditional model where you get one book per credit, this package is kind of like Netflix—or a library—where you have access to as much as you can get through in that month. So I think my partner in particular goes through maybe 10 or 15 of these romance books a month and that’s just for that one $8 cost for that month.
Jenia: Seems to not be available outside of America.
Travis: Well that’s also good to keep in mind.
Jenia: So it seems that Audible is very country specific. So for example, Austrian Audible, Audible.de, does not allow this lump sum of 24 books per year, while the UK does. On the other hand, the US apparently has this romance package which I do not see on audible.co.uk.
Travis: Huh, interesting.
Kop: Another option for reading on a budget, and in this instance, reading cheaply, or reading for free, is the website Wattpad. And it’s essentially a website where people self publish their books. If you’re looking for stories that maybe you wouldn’t find in traditional publishing, but you weren’t sure if you want to—I don’t want to say spend money—but if you want to read something that you might not find in traditional publishing and maybe you’ve even browsed the self-published section of Amazon, then maybe check out Wattpad.
Travis: So that kind of reminds me of webserials, where people can, well, serialize their novels on the web. And kind of post weekly or monthly, or even if they don’t have a consistent schedule, just breaking up their story into chunks.
Jenia: For those things, they usually get paid by ads, right? So you just have to make sure that you turn off Adblock, if you have it on so that you can support people. Web comics as well, I know, are usually paid by ad revenue.
Tam: They mostly also have Patreon, as well. So if you really enjoy it, you can go and donate some money through there.
Jenia: Getting into physical books, there’s always secondhand bookstores. And one thing that I find quite interesting is that even in non-English-speaking countries you can find a few fantasy books in a secondhand bookstore. Uh, usually there’s something from from the 80s and 90s. You’re unlikely to find something from current times, like you would in an English-speaking country. I would not find that in Austria. But still, I think it’s useful to check out a little bit, maybe there’s… I have seen for example Jenny Wurts there, which is good. What are your guys’s experience? Have you ever found anything good in a secondhand book shop?
Tam: I don’t actually know of any secondhand bookstores anywhere near me. I’ve bought one or two in secondhand bookstores overseas, which have always been good. And this may be very location-specific, but twice a year, one of the big charities has Book Fair in our convention center.
It’s called, uh, Lifeline Bookfest. I’m fairly sure it’s only in Brisbane but other cities might do something similar and they take all the books that have been donated over the past year and they put them out. And it fits into our big chunk of the convention center. And there are a lot of books for very cheap there, which is always good for getting paperbacks.
Jenia: One other thing that I just thought of, is of course, you could join or start up a blog and then you could get [advance review copies] for free. (everyone laughs) I mean, there’s other reasons to join blogs for sure, not just for free books.
Kop: Make a Netgalley account!
Jenia: I mean, that’s true, right? Especially if you live somewhere where, I don’t know, free books, or rather books that just came out, are hard to get or very expensive.
Maybe there’s no library and so on, but you still want to be part of the conversation for newer releases. For things like Netgalley you basically pay by reviewing the book. It doesn’t have to be a positive review, of course. But by contributing to the community in this way, which is not monetary, but does give back to the author and the publisher. So I think that it is something worth looking into, especially if you live somewhere where there are no public libraries with recent releases.
Kop: Mhmm.
Travis: And now for Netgalley, is that specifically for reviews that you leave on book blogs? Or could you just, say, leave a review on Amazon or Goodreads?
Kop: Yeah I guess. So Netgalley, they count reviews through book blogs, Goodreads, Amazon, even YouTube. Any place that you can share a review on, then they count it for Netgalley. And different publishers will have different requirements. For example, you need to have at least 1000 people following you in order to get approved for such and such publisher.
Travis: Yeah, I will say that number sounds on the higher end of what I’ve heard, though. Because I know a lot of people who do not have that large of a following who are still able to use Netgalley to get advanced review copies from publishers.
Kop: I find usually it’s for the ones that are geared towards young adult and middle grade audiences. Those have really high requirements. And from what I’ve heard, a lot of times it’s not if you don’t have that many followers or you don’t have that many views a month, or that many views a day, whatever, they’re going to reject you.
Jenia: I will say that I have never gotten a YA book so far. I have been rejected for all YA books, but I have pretty good approval rates for other books. So adult fantasy seems to be a little bit easier to get for whatever reason.
Travis: Yeah, and I guess while we’re talking about Netgalley, we should also mention Edelweiss. Netgalley and Edelweiss seem to be the primary resources that bloggers use to get advanced review copies. And Edelweiss, from what I’ve seen so far, it’s more traditionally targeted towards bookstores and librarians than actual bloggers, but bloggers can and do still use it frequently.
And they tend to have less strict requirements to get a review copy. And you actually have the option of leaving a personal little message to the publisher saying why you want the book, so I found sometimes I get rejected for a book on Netgalley but then I can get approved for that book on Edelweiss.
Oh and also if you’re interested in reading books by independent authors or self published authors there’s a service by a friend of ours, Esmeralda Weatherwax online, who runs the Weatherwax Report blog. (Note: Since the time of recording, Esmerelda Weatherwax has stepped down from running this service) She runs a service called TBRindr, so (laughs)–
Kop: TBRindr?
Jenia: (laughs) Is that…
Travis: TBRindr, sure. So kind of like Tindr, but for books. So (laughs) that’s a good tagline. Yeah..
(everyone laughs)
Travis: I assume that’s where the name came from. Right? Tindr for books.
Kop: Oh, should we also mention TBR = to be read?
Travis: Yeah, we’re pretty bad about acronyms here. So also ARC is, I think, advanced review copy or advanced reader copy. But yeah, so this TBRindr… basically, self-published authors can put their books on this online spreadsheet, and it lists what genres and subgenres the book falls under. And then reviewers can add their information to another spreadsheet that lists what genres they like to read, and where they typically review.
So Goodreads, Reddit, Amazon, blog, whatever. And both reviewers and authors can reach out to each other and request books or request reviews. So that’s a way you can get free copies of self-published books and you don’t have to have a large presence. A lot of times a self-published author will be more than happy to give you a copy of their book in exchange for an honest review.
Kop: This is more of a specific example. But currently, in 2019, there are three illustrated Harry Potter books that are illustrated by Jim K. And physically, they are about $40 each, which is a bit more on the expensive side. However, they do have ebook versions on Amazon. And for example, I got the first one, Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone, for I think $9.99, and it’s the Kindle in motion, so it has the fancy graphics with the illustrations and the fancy animations, which is fun.
So you get that illustrated book for $9.99. And I think they’re going to do the other ones, as well. So if you wanted to read those Harry Potter books that Jim K illustrated, but you don’t want to pay $40 or more, then the ebook versions are maybe… I don’t want to say a cheap option, but a cheaper option.
Travis: So there’s a few different options you can use for physical books for purchasing them less expensively. So one that I personally use a lot is BookDepository.com. So a lot of times you can get paperbacks and hardbacks for a cheaper price than you’d find in person at a physical bookstore or through ordering on Amazon. And I believe Book Depository has free worldwide shipping.
Kop: Not to me (laughs).
Travis: Okay so for most countries, maybe not Mongolia, Book Depository has free shipping. Oh, and you can also preorder a book. Which doesn’t necessarily save you a lot of money, but because you’re preordering, you’re getting the book as it releases. So you haven’t let that price tail off over time. But if you’re going to buy a book the day it comes out, a lot of times, if you preorder in advance, you can save at least a couple dollars.
Kop: Yeah. Oh, one thing really quick that I want to mention with libraries, you can also preorder. So you can request that your library gets a book before it comes out. And so the, the day it comes out, it’ll be automatically borrowed into your account. But I agree with Book Depository, I’ve used it before when I lived in America, and it’s a really good service.
Travis: Yeah, there’s also discounted ebook services. So I think the two at least for science fiction and fantasy that really come to mind for me, there’s BookBub, where you can sign up for, I think it’s just this email list that you’re on, and once a week, or once a month, not sure of the frequency, you get emails that have links to discounted versions of books.
And I think you can tailor that based on your interest. So I only have checked the science fiction and fantasy categories, but they have a bunch of other genres as well.
And then more specifically, just for speculative fiction, is BookBarbarian. A lot of times, I’ll see self published books on there. Sometimes it’s traditionally published books, but I tend to have more success, actually, from BookBarbarian rather than BookBub.
Jenia: Sorry, how does this work again? Where are the… Where are you actually getting the ebooks from?
Travis: They typically just have links for discounted purchase. I’m not sure… it’s been a while since I’ve used these services. They either send you to a store like maybe Amazon, or you might be buying direct from the author or publisher?
Jenia: I’m just wondering, because, of course, it seems to be to Amazon and so on. And of course, each country has their own specific discount sales at different times. So it’s something to consider if you don’t live in America, I guess. That’s why I’m curious whether it’s… whether it also links to it for sales from Amazon and so on. I cannot find any information while I’m looking online right now. Um, I’ll look into it (laughs).
Travis: And I guess, similar to BookBub and BookBarbarian, there’s also Audio Book Boom, which is a similar service, but for audiobooks. And I don’t think it’s region specific other than the fact that it links you up directly with indie authors. And so a lot of times, if an indie author has an audiobook, they’re given a certain number of free book codes that they can give out.
And this Audio Book Boom is a service that allows the you to indicate interest in books, and this lets the authors give out their free codes to interested reviewers. Now that I think about it, I’m sure there is some sort of region specific number of codes that authors get, it might be dependent on which region they’re publishing in. But that’s another thing you can consider.
Jenia: That seems to be like a lot of places where people could start looking, right? And, um, shall we wrap it up?
Travis: Yeah, I guess before we wrap it up entirely, I do want to mention podcasts. So almost—
(everyone laughs)
every podcast is freely available. You can use any podcast app you like, typically called podcatchers, and you can access any of these. They’re usually paid for through ads, and through Patreon, so you don’t have to directly spend any money if you’re not able to, but you can also support them as kind of a pay-what-you-want for additional content through Patreon.
Some audio dramas are behind a paywall. So there are different services. I know recently, there’s been announced a controversial “Netflix for Podcasts” service where I think you pay $8 a month and you get access to premium shows. But other than that, the vast majority of audio dramas and podcasts in general are freely available for anyone.
Jenia: I guess we should wrap it up. I was gonna say that if anybody has any other tips that they want to share, then they should definitely share them with us. And especially if somebody has tried one of the libraries when they’re living outside of the US to sign up for something like that. They should also definitely contact us because we’re curious about that. .
Travis: Yeah. So thanks for listening and you can join the conversation with us on Twitter @TheFantasyInn or find us on our website, TheFantasyInn.com. And I think that’s a wrap.
